Scalping: why costs decide the outcome
Where the spread sits on the chart
Open any EUR/USD chart and you see two prices at the right edge, not one. The lower figure is the price at which you can sell, and the higher figure is the price at which you can buy. The distance between them is the spread. On a chart around 1.0850 the two numbers might read 1.08494 and 1.08506, a gap of 0.00012, which is 1.2 pips.
That gap is drawn before you arrive and it does not wait for you to decide. The moment you buy, your position starts 1.2 pips below the buy price, because selling it back immediately would fetch the lower figure. The chart has not moved, yet the trade is already behind. This is the first cost, and it is visible if you look at both prices rather than only the last one.
Scalping compresses this into a small space. A target of 3 pips sits close to a spread of 1.2 pips, so a large share of the distance you are trying to cover is already gone at entry. The chart shows the movement you hope for. The two prices at the edge show what that movement has to overcome first.
What the pip value depends on
A pip is a fixed step in price, but its money value depends on three things: the pair, the size of the position, and the exchange rate used to convert the quote currency into pesos. For EUR/USD the quote currency is the US dollar. One pip on one standard lot is 10 US dollars, and converting that at the current rate gives roughly ₱580. That conversion rate moves, so the peso figure is an estimate, not a constant.
Position size scales the figure in a straight line. A mini lot is one tenth of a standard lot, so one pip is about ₱58. A micro lot is one hundredth, so one pip is about ₱5.80. The arithmetic of the trade does not change with size, but the money at stake does, and so does the cost of the spread measured in pesos.
Because the conversion rate varies, two people trading the same pair with the same size can see slightly different peso values on the same day. The pip count is the stable part. Convert it to pesos only after you have the pip count, and treat the peso result as an approximation that depends on the rate at the time.
Commission and the cost you cannot see on the chart
Some accounts charge no separate commission and build the cost into a wider spread. Others quote a narrower spread and add a commission per lot per side. Both models exist, and the total cost is what matters, not which label the broker uses. The chart shows the spread. It does not show the commission, so a narrow spread can still be the more expensive choice.
Commission is usually charged when the position opens and again when it closes. That means a round trip carries two charges. If a commission is quoted per lot per side, a one standard lot round trip is charged twice. The effect on a 3 pip target is direct: the commission reduces the net result in the same way the spread does.
The practical consequence is that a scalping target has to clear the spread plus the commission, not the spread alone. A target that looks profitable against the spread can be a loss once the commission is counted. The figures vary between brokers, so read the contract specifications for the account you are considering and use those numbers in your own arithmetic.
Working the numbers before the entry
Take the target in pips, subtract the spread in pips, and subtract the commission converted into pips. What remains is the amount the price must move in your favour before the trade breaks even and then profits. If the target is 3 pips, the spread is 1.2 pips, and the commission equals 0.4 pips, the net is 1.4 pips. The trade is only worth taking if the chart can plausibly deliver that movement.
Multiply the net pips by the pip value to get the money result. On one standard lot at about ₱580 per pip, 1.4 net pips is about ₱812 per trade before any other costs. Over 20 trades the net pip count is 28, and the money result is about ₱16,240. The spread alone over those 20 trades costs 24 pips, or about ₱13,920.
These numbers are the whole lesson. The technique of choosing entries matters, but it operates on a smaller remainder than most beginners assume. If the costs are large relative to the target, no entry method fixes the arithmetic. If the costs are small relative to the target, the technique has room to work.
20 trades at 3 pips with a 1.2 pip spread
| Step | Amount | Note |
|---|---|---|
| Gross pips per trade | 3.0 pips | The move you aim to capture before costs |
| Spread cost per trade | 1.2 pips | The difference between bid and ask, quoted by the broker |
| Net pips per trade | 1.8 pips | 3.0 minus 1.2 |
| Net pips over 20 trades | 36 pips | 1.8 multiplied by 20 |
| Value of one pip on one standard lot | ₱580 | 10 units of the quote currency at the current exchange rate |
| Gross result before costs | ₱34,800 | 3.0 pips multiplied by 20 trades, then multiplied by ₱580 |
| Spread cost over 20 trades | ₱13,920 | 1.2 pips multiplied by 20 trades, then multiplied by ₱580 |
| Net result after spread | ₱20,880 | 36 pips multiplied by ₱580 |
The broker may round the pip value, charge a commission on top of the spread, or quote a wider spread at busy times. These figures vary between brokers, so check the contract specifications before you trade.
Doing it once, step by step
Read the two prices at the right edge of the chart, then compute the cost of one trade before you consider taking it. The order matters, because the cost decides whether the target is worth pursuing at all.
- 01
Read both prices at the chart edge
Find the two figures shown for EUR/USD, the sell price and the buy price. Subtract the lower from the higher to get the spread in price terms. On a chart around 1.0850, a gap of 0.00012 is 1.2 pips.
- 02
Convert the spread into pips
Divide the price gap by 0.0001 for a pair quoted to four decimal places. The result is the spread in pips. Write it down beside the target you have in mind, because you will subtract it next.
- 03
Add the commission in pip terms
Check the contract specifications for the commission on your account. Convert that charge into pips using the pip value for your position size. Add it to the spread to get the total cost per round trip.
- 04
Subtract the total cost from the target
Take the target in pips and subtract the spread plus the commission. The remainder is the net amount the price must deliver. If the remainder is small or negative, the trade does not meet the arithmetic.
- 05
Multiply the net pips by the pip value
Use the pip value for your size, about ₱580 on one standard lot for EUR/USD. Multiply the net pips by that figure to see the money result per trade. Repeat for the number of trades you expect to place.
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Compare the total cost with the total target
Multiply the spread and commission by the number of trades to see the full cost. Set that against the net result. If the cost is a large share of the target, the plan depends on the technique overcoming an arithmetic disadvantage.
The mistake most people make here
Many beginners count the full 3 pips as profit and ignore the spread until the statement arrives. They also forget that commission can be charged on top of the spread, which makes the real cost higher than the chart shows. The fix is to subtract the spread and commission from every target before you decide if the trade is worth taking. If the spread is 1.2 pips and you aim for 3 pips, you are keeping 1.8 pips, not 3.Check yourself
If you make 20 trades at 3 pips each and the spread is 1.2 pips, how many net pips do you keep?
20 multiplied by (3.0 minus 1.2) equals 20 multiplied by 1.8, which is 36 pips.
At ₱580 per pip on one standard lot, what is the spread cost over those 20 trades?
1.2 pips multiplied by 20 trades equals 24 pips. 24 multiplied by ₱580 equals ₱13,920.
What is the net money result after the spread on those 20 trades?
36 net pips multiplied by ₱580 equals ₱20,880.
Questions that come up next
How do I find the spread on my own chart before I trade?
Look at the right edge of the chart, where two prices are shown rather than one. The lower price is where you can sell and the higher price is where you can buy. Subtract the lower from the higher to get the spread in price terms. On EUR/USD around 1.0850 a gap of 0.00012 is 1.2 pips. Some platforms show the spread as a number in the order ticket, which saves the subtraction.
Why does my position show a small loss the moment I open it?
You bought at the higher price, and selling back straight away would fetch the lower price. The difference is the spread, so the position starts behind by that amount. No chart movement has happened yet. It is not an error in the platform. The market has to move in your favour by more than the spread before the position breaks even.
Does a smaller position size reduce the spread cost?
It reduces the money cost in a straight line, but not the pip cost. A mini lot at one tenth of a standard lot makes one pip about ₱58 instead of about ₱580. A micro lot makes it about ₱5.80. The spread is still 1.2 pips of price. You pay less in pesos because you hold less, not because the spread got smaller.
What is the difference between an account with commission and one without?
Some accounts charge no separate commission and build the cost into a wider spread. Others quote a narrower spread and add a commission per lot per side. Both models exist, and the total cost is what matters, not which line it appears on. Compare the spread plus the commission, not the spread alone. These figures vary between brokers, so check the contract specifications for the account you are looking at.
How do I work out the real cost before I take a trade?
Write down your target in pips, then subtract the spread and any commission expressed in pips. If the spread is 1.2 pips and the target is 3 pips, you are keeping 1.8 pips. Multiply that by the pip value in pesos to see the money at stake. Do this before deciding, not after the statement arrives.
Does the spread stay the same all day?
No. It can widen at busy times, around news releases, and when the market is quiet and few orders are being filled. A spread you saw this morning is not a promise for this evening. The broker may also round the pip value, which changes the peso figure slightly. Treat any single spread figure as a snapshot rather than a fixed rate.
The words used on this page
- spread
- The gap between the price at which you can sell and the price at which you can buy. It is shown as two prices at the right edge of the chart. You pay it on entry, whether or not the market moves.
- pip
- A fixed step in the price of a currency pair. On EUR/USD one pip is 0.0001. It is a unit of price movement, not a unit of money.
- pip value
- The money that one pip of movement is worth for the position you hold. It depends on the pair, the position size, and the exchange rate used to convert into pesos. On one standard lot of EUR/USD it is about ₱580.
- standard lot
- A fixed position size used as the reference point in these examples. A mini lot is one tenth of it and a micro lot is one hundredth. Smaller sizes scale the pip value down in a straight line.
- commission
- A separate charge some accounts add on top of the spread, usually per lot per side. Accounts that charge it often quote a narrower spread. The spread plus the commission is the total cost.
- contract specifications
- The document a broker publishes for each instrument. It lists the pip size, the contract size, the spread conditions and any commission. Read it before you trade, because these details vary between brokers.
What to take away
- The spread is paid at entry, so a 3 pip target with a 1.2 pip spread keeps 1.8 pips, not 3.
- Over 20 such trades the spread alone costs 24 pips, about ₱13,920 at ₱580 per pip on one standard lot.
- Commission can sit on top of the spread, so compare the total cost rather than the spread alone.
- Work out the net pips and the peso cost before you decide whether the trade is worth taking.